DISQUS

Hops · 1 year ago

OMG.

I mean, I always figured they were just like that, but I'm floored to have my suspicions confirmed.

Andy the Plumbing Course Addic · 1 year ago

Abortion is still not a good choice! Hope this will eventually stopped.

kc* · 1 year ago

religious or not, i'm not for abortion at all... i mean after all, it is murder. and to do that to a baby is just wrong and heartless. i mean, if you don't want a child... there is always adoption. but thats my take on abortion.

as for what they did to that lady, very sad. that type of treatment shouldn't be acceptable.

I kept my baby · 1 year ago

I agree that this clinic shouldn't take advantage of women and ask probing questions, however, if it saves the life of a beautiful child, isn't it just a bit worth it? I mean why on earth are we basically saying "Oh that poor pregnant woman, what she must have gone through watching that video!" I mean at least the pregnant women don't walk out of that clinic in a body bag, which is how the babies leave the abortion clinic a few doors down!

I got pregnant as a teenager and kept the baby. Yes it was the hardest thing to go through, but now my 3 children make me smile every day, it is a priceless thing and I will never regret having them, no matter what the struggle. Abortion is simply the cowards way out of a sticky situation, if women are supposed to be so strong, then it is the hero of a woman that chooses to go through whatever it takes NOT to abort the baby.

Medela · 4 months ago

Abortion debate is a misnomer!! We are nt debating abortion, we are debating rights. Rights, not morals; rights, not ethics.It states that choice is a Constitutional right, like freedom of speech.

TheRadioStationLover · 1 year ago

Abortion or not is a tough issue.

I always believe that you make your own choice regardless of what others say.

People will influence you but IT IS YOUR DECISION that matters.

Diabetic Socks · 1 year ago

I think a woman making the choice to have an abortion is difficult enough without the condemnation of everyone around her scaring her into not having when she goes to a facility for help. I'm not saying it's an easy decision for anyone, or that women should be encouraged to have one if they are having doubts about a pregnancy, but when they make a decision, they should not have to endure further mental abuse from people who are looking out for her situation.

aileen · 1 year ago

Safe or not, I think abortion is just cruel. An unborn child that's completely dependent on a mother who's having thoughts about killing it is depressing. I've been to an abortion center. Seeing fetuses killed and forced into pails or jars made my heart stop.

azmomof6 · 1 year ago

If the "scare tactics" of watching the video of abortion bothers you, then maybe you should reconsider your oppinion of it in the first place!! The center gave the woman the honest, horrible truth. Which is much more than I can say of abortion clinics. And you are right, the mother has a choice, to have sex or not to, to be safe or not too! The unborn child is a human being, not something to be thrown away in the trash after being brutally killed, because the woman is too selfish to accept responsibility. Educate yourself about abortion and the consequences of it, watch the videos, look at the pictures. If you are for it, make sure you understand what you are for! Executed criminals die more humanely than an innocent unborn baby. There are many agencies out there to help with adoptions, and homes for pregnant women that need help. If women could realize this help is there, and that they are not alone. The nine months to carry the child, is nothing compared to the lifetime of pain after having an abortion. I have met a few women that say they regret having an abortion, but, never met anyone that says I wish I would have had one. I have also met women that say they thought about having an abortion, but thank God they didnt. Its not a solution, it creates more problems.

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Becky · 1 year ago

I am unsure of where I stand on this issue. I have a baby. I briefly considered abortion with my then boyfriend, now husband. We decided against it, obviously. I don't think I could personally go through with it, but if having an abortion will prevent that baby from being born and thrown in a trash bag, I'm honestly for it. Way too often do I hear of babies being thrown in trash cans or dumpsters only to be found damaged or dead.

WhatThe? · 1 year ago

There should be no uncertainty on this issue. The tactics used by this ONE clinic were wrong. But there are many many good clinics out there. If a woman can't see what abortion looks likes, then how can she go through with it? A woman does have reproductive choices: birth control pills, abstinence, IUD's, etc. Where she has no choice is with regards to ending another human life. We are all just a cluster of cells. These clusters of cells have fingers and toes, heartbeats. They move and grow, just like us. A baby is still dependent on it's mother after it is born, so why can't we kill it then? American rights give us full freedom so long as it doesn't infringe upon the rights of another person. Just because a baby in its mother's womb can't speak for itself doesn't make it any less of an American or give it any less rights.

Daisy · 1 year ago

I'm absolutely shocked at this! The fact is that women should have a choice and not be pushed into anything, but what they want themselves. It does not matter what I or anyone else believes. It's a matter of respect and freedom to choose.

These clinics prey upon vulnerable women and should be closed down. You would have to be an absolute retard to even want to work there!

WhatThe? · 1 year ago

Daisy, freedom of choice stops at the taking of another human life. I agree that clinics as described above should be shutdown. I don't believe those tactics help women. There are many clinics that work in positive ways, such as showing women ultrasounds of their babies. If seeing that tiny little person moves a woman not to kill it, how can you argue with that?

Al · 1 year ago

What's This said:

"If seeing that tiny little person moves a woman not to kill it, how can you argue with that?"

Quite easily actually. Because it is not a living person.

One does not need to be pro abortion to be pro a womans right to choose. The issue is larger than a personal unease with the procedure. It is about personal destiny and bodily integrity. If you don't value those things, then sure, make your case for abortion to not be accessible to the women who need it. Just be very sure you understand the potential of just what that legislation would mean, or could mean, in other areas of your life.

If you do not support a womans right to choose, then you are not pro life. What you are, is a person who mandates forced pregnancy. Think about that.

Jenny · 1 year ago

That's just wrong. But why didn't she just leave after the whole "watch movie or no test" thing? I have a lot of thoughts on the whole abortion thing but I think I'd start a really bad arguement. LOL

azmomof6 · 1 year ago

Al, If its not a living person then what is it?? Get a science book, life begins at conception. And forced pregnancy? Are you serious with that? How about forced responsibility! Dont you find it ridiculous that 4,000 babies are aborted worldwide a day because 4,000 women were irrisponsible? which also means that 4,000 men were irrisponsible as well. Did you know that some clinics take donations specified to abort a specific race? 9 months to carry a child is small time compared to death of the child. And, depression and guilt of the mother. The women who have ad abortion,later on say, "I wish I had known more, they didnt tell me that!" And Al, I also dont think you really understand what "pro-life" is. I am pro-life, because I am for life of the unborn babies. The pro-life voice, is the voice of the unborn baby. The mother can speak for herself, the unborn child can not. Very few women "need" an abortion for health reasons. If the baby dies inside her it is not considered an abortion. Do some research!

Ellen · 1 year ago

Regardless what choice a woman makes, the opposing side should shut up and keep their opinions to themselves. It's a tough decision, and a very personal one, not to be exploited by those barbaric woman in the crisis centers. If you ask me, those centers create and perpetuate an existing crisis: creating more lives to take and take from this Earth with out ever giving back.

Adria · 1 year ago

I agree with Al. It's not a living person. Everyone else stop getting your panties in a twist because everyone doesn't share your opinion. If you can't provide that child with an education or a decent quality of life then that child shouldn't be here to suffer for YOUR mistakes.

azmomof6 · 1 year ago

If everyone stayed quiet, who would be the voice for those unborn babies? They are innocent and did nothing wrong, why should their punishment be death? And a horrible one at that? Suck it up for 9 months, there are many couples that want to adopt. If you make the mistake of getting pregnant, the resposible thing to do is have the baby, give it to a couple that can give it a good life. You can always change your mind, have an open adoption. Abortion is death, and death is forever. And again, Adria, if its not a living person what is it? Do YOU know something that medical science doesn't?

Al · 1 year ago

azmomof6

"If it is not a living person than what is it"

Well, to be quite truthful it could best be described as a collection of fetal tissue. I'm not sure what you think medical science has said or has not said, but the issue of viability is what will eventually become the marker for when human life is ascribed to that collection of tissue.

I don't have to like abortion either and I don't, but I am also going to state there is a material difference between a woman who has fundamental free will and a living awareness of personal agency, vs. a collection of tissue. And if you truly do not see a difference, what should we do with the women who have abortions. Try them for murder? Because if you truly don't see a difference, that is the only logical extension.

amazon 6 asks: "Forced Pregnancy"?

Yes, exactly.

amazon 6 says: "4,000 babies are aborted worldwide a day because 4,000 women were irrisponsible?"

So glad to know you have determined what is and is not appropriate and responsible in each womans life. Though it must get awfully stressful being the collective moral gate keeper for the entire planet I would imagine.

WhatThe? · 1 year ago

Al, you make a fetus sound like it's cancer. It's a collection of tissue that is basically unwanted, and women have to be able to remove it for their health's sake, right? If it is strictly part of a woman's body, then why does it take a man for this fetal tissue to exist? At what point is it no longer just tissue? I would assume that abortionists would also be enraged by other things, such as US involvement in World War II. Who were we to say that Nazi Germany didn't have the right to get rid of what they saw was a Jewish cancer in their own country? That really had nothing to do with us, and we went and imposed our morality on those poor Nazis. As far as they were concerned, 6 million Jews were just unwanted tissue, not human. If life is a matter of opinion, how can we really punish anyone from killing someone else.

And would you please explain what a forced pregnancy is? Is this pregnancy resulting from rape?

WhatThe? · 1 year ago

So Adria, does that mean we should get rid of people on welfare or who live on the streets, at least the ones who are there due to their parents choices? If their suffering is so bad that they would be better off dead, then wouldn't it be more humane to end their misery as well? That freedom of choice as well, isn't it? Why is it only our right to pass judgment on another life while it's in the womb?

Al · 1 year ago

What The?

Good name. It's how I'd begin my response to your above screed. Because your argument makes no sense at all.

But just for fun....I am defining human as it is done with respect to medical guidelines in the country in which you live. Is that clear enough? That is based on viability - when the "collection of cells" is advanced enough to be reasonably able to exist outside of another and not be dependent on direct support through a vascular structure (ie attached to the mother). Your cancer analogy is a good one. Though parasite is the more directly relevant analogy with regard to being completely dependent through vascular structure on another living being for all nutritional sources.

If I sound abnormally coolly detached here, that is because I in no way am able to ethically compare the life of a woman to a collection of cells. There is no comparison. Your nonsense over Nazi Germany doesn't even make sense in the context of your own poorly mapped out argument! Think about it.

If letting grown women make their own medical decisions with regard to legally accepted reproductive health choices is a problem for you, I strongly suggest therapy that deals with co dependence issues. Telling other people what to do with their own bodies is something you can do all you want, but be aware - you are convincing no one of your lazy argument that equates tissue with full and autonomous life. Are you at all seeing that there is no way you will win this argument?

azmomof6 · 1 year ago

Al, Im just curious here. You stated above that you dont like abortion, why are you even arguing ? Human life begins at conception, not when it is viable, unfortunately in this country that is not the law. And, to answer your question, no, women that have abortions should not be tried for murder. I do not look down on women that have had abortions, they made their decision with the information they had. I pray for them. The agencies I am affiliated with provide counseling for them, support groups for when they are looking for peace. Many of them join a pro life organization to tell their story and to help educate other women about their experience. Many will share the comparison of the information they had at the time of the abortion, to what they know now. And, as far as being the gatekeeper of morality, thanks for the flattering title, but Im not alone. And, you must know that your arguments are weak, because you resort to ignorant snide cutdowns. What the? has many good points. and the comparison of the Holocause is an excellent comparison,. If you dont understand the comparison, do some research. It is actually something you will begin to see in the media. And Al, Im not sure what exactly will be "won" but
I personally think your arguments have no fact or intelligent basis. Your arguments are purely oppinion , of which you argue for something you dont even agree with. I posted several websites with information. why dont you research then comment.

Al · 1 year ago

Nice try Amazon6.

First of all I can, and do, argue for many things I don't agree with. Why? Because it speaks to the greater point about people having free will and individual control over themselves and what goes on in their bodies. I think that is a very important core freedom and basic human right, and I'm guessing you would as well if for whatever reason you ended up with a pregnancy you did not wish to carry to term. I don't believe you would be happy about the state making that decision for you, regardless of what side you come down on in the abortion debate.

Human life begins at conception? Says who? God? We exist in a society that mandates the church stay out of legal policy decisions regarding how citizens live their lives.

"no, women that have abortions should not be tried for murder"

Then you are admitting you see a material difference in human life and life of a fetus. You can't have it both ways.

And gatekeeper of morality is exactly what you set yourself up to be when you deem 4000 women (whom you know nothing about) not responsible with a dismissive swipe of your hand. That's puritanical slut shaming. You know it and I know it.

"The agencies I am affiliated with provide counseling for them, support groups for when they are looking for peace".

Right. How exactly do you do this. A website, a yellow page add? Or are you the ones who hold up test tubes of aborted fetus tissue and signs admonishing women for their decisions as they enter abortion clinics? You counsel them? What a load of horse shit! You intimidate women who have already made a decision that is often one they have wrestled with. Your aggressive interference is saying loud and clear that you do not trust autonomous adult women to make medical and reproductive decisions for themselves or / and with the input of their medical practitioner, a right under the law. Helping women? You really have a lot of nerve.

If you don't want an abortion, then don't have one. In the meantime, American women don't require your all knowing assistance in deciding what is right for them.

azmomof6 · 1 year ago

Al, you assume a lot from my comments, and when you assume, you make an ass of u and me. Let me sum it up for you. Educating women with the facts regarding abortion is my focus. Women are not given all of the facts, as women making a life changing choice, they deserve better. Abortion clinics are about making money, not the benefit of a woman's total health, mind and body. If you are so passionate about freedom of choice, help them see all of the choices. Help them see the consequences of this choice. And as far as GOD is concerned, I'm not one to preach, but I will sum up my belief. "If you live as if there is no GOD, then you better be right" Your gonna have to do better than sling your own crap and belittle everyone of my comments, because I am really getting bored with this.

WhatThe? · 1 year ago

Al, you don't understand my correlation to the Nazi's because you either have a lack of respect for human life, or if science doesn't have an answer, your willing to err on the side of irresponsibility. Your arguments are all based on opinion of when life begins. My argument for the Nazis is that was their opinion about the life of the Jews. Just the same, I don't understand your arguments about looking at human life as simply a collection of cells. But, you are quite comfortable with your vast medical knowledge, so answer this question that nobody on the abortionist side wants to tackle: What is the exact point, to the nano-second, that a cluster of cells because human? I know your definition of human is once the cells are viable, but when is that exact moment? 20 weeks? Is that 20 weeks exactly from conception? Medical advances are allowing babies to live that are born earlier and earlier ever year. Do we need to adjust the magic moment of life based on current medicine? You may or may not believe in the soul, but when does this collection of cells have a mind, conscious thought? I would assume from your arguments that you are against abortion once the cells are viable, so when is that exact moment? There is so much gray area there, but you are willing to gamble human life on that.

And again, what the heck is a forced pregnancy? Pregnancy only happens one way, so if it is not through forcible sex, what makes a pregnancy forced?

Al · 1 year ago

"I am really getting bored with this."

As evidenced by the lack of coherent refute to anything I have said.

Interesting too, how you avoided my specific questions about tactics.

But it seems you would like to discuss "facts". What "facts"? And how are you so sure that the women you attempt to "help" have not been given the facts? Once again, you are not trusting women to make the choices that are right for them as adults with a life, circumstance, situation and value system all of their own.They do not need yours.

"Help them see the consequences of this choice"

You mean help guilt them into a choice that lets you sleep at night and in the end still serves to regulate womens reproductive choices through state will? No thanks.

"And as far as GOD is concerned, I’m not one to preach"

Isn't it interesting then how in the next breath you go on to do just that. What a shock..

Exactly which of my points, specifically, is crap?

If you are going to recite the same nonsensical blather about human life beginning when you decide it does and specious comparisons to Nazi atrocities, and the obviously deliberate avoidance of relevant questions, I'm done. Good luck with the subjugation of your own gender.

Al · 1 year ago

"Pregnancy only happens one way, so if it is not through forcible sex, what makes a pregnancy forced?"

You do. By advocating for policies which would prevent women from having access to safe and legal abortion. Because then, those women are forced to in fact go through with a pregnancy they have already decided, for whatever reason, they do not wish to carry to term.

Thus, forced pregnancy. It's not rocket science.

WhatThe? · 1 year ago

Al, you are correct that pregnancy isn't rocket science. If I raped women and impregnated them, I would be forcing pregnancies. Every time a couple has sex, they know a pregnancy may occur. If pregnancy is going to adversely affect a woman's life that badly, she shouldn't be having sex. I advocate for infants to have safe and legal births. I ask again, what is the exact moment that a group of cells becomes human? Without that fact, how can you come to a responsible decision to terminate a pregnancy. Your argument hinges on this fact as well as mine. If we don't know this exact moment, we may very well be killing, correct?

azmomof6 · 1 year ago

For Al's comment (even though he is done), dig deeper. I have not met one woman that had an abortion that did not say "I wish I had known more before I made my choice." Its pretty clear. Nobody is guilted into anything. Like I said many times before, do your research. The women are seeking our help. Its not like we run after them yelling obscenities, give me a break! Their decision is respected, but they are welcomed back when they are sad and depressed, and feel guilty for their choice. Then there are those that tragically die during a "safe and legal abortion" Then it is family that reaches out. I really dont expect you to understand. I also dont feel the need to give you my resume, but I will say I volunteer quite a bit for a clinic, and a home for pregnant girls that have no where to go. Amongst other things. And as for your comment to what the? your forced pregnancy makes no sense. I could see if you phrased it "forced to continue a pregnancy" if thats what you mean. Forced pregnancy sounds like rape to to me.

azmomof6 · 1 year ago

What the? makes a great point. We dont know the exact moment cells become human. One thing is for certain though, those "cells" are human cells, a life full of potential. Life should be respected on all levels, even cellular. We all were once "a blob of cells" and look what we have become. And when it comes down to it, all we really are is cells and tissue, period. The fetal heart begins to beat at 45 days. At 10 weeks the baby looks human, with arms,legs,fingers,toes, the brain is developing. So if it looks human, has its own DNA, has a beating heart, circulatory system, nervous system, why isnt it considered human by law? Simply because it hasnt been given enough time to mature? After 20 weeks its really down to lung development. Medical science can do some amazing things,and with intense care some babys have lived. Not a high percentage, but still possible. I have confidence, that those statistics will improve in time. But, if we feel we have the right to kill those that inconvenience us, then there is no value for human life, therefore we are no better than Hitler.

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Al · 1 year ago

"Forced pregnancy sounds like rape to to me."

Did you stop to consider just how spot on the analogy is? Perhaps that is due to the fact that there are some very striking parallels between the denial of treatment option in the form of abortion, and a non consensual encounter of sex. They both force a woman against her will, with no concern for her voiced choices, to do something she is opposed to.

"Like I said many times before, do your research".

I would suggest the same.

"The women are seeking our help. Its not like we run after them yelling obscenities, give me a break"

You can say that as many times as you want, it does not make it in any more credible. I'm sorry I simply do not believe you.. It comes across as very transparent.

azmomof6 · 1 year ago

First of all, abortion is not a "treatment option", it is an elective procedure. For the record, for a long time I was on your side of the fence on abortion. During a chance conversation I began to question my own beliefs. I didnt know how abortions were done, I didnt know the aftermath these women felt. I didnt know they died during the procedure. I did my research. I am now on the pro life side, and will never go back. So dont spill your self rightious crap on me, because I have been where you are. Second, the amount of pregnancies concieved through rape is small, but why should there be a second victim, the unborn child. I personally know a woman that concieved her first child through a gang rape. Do you think she looks at her daughter everyday thinking about the rape? NO! She feels that atleast something good came of her tragic experience. She is a beautiful happy 4 year old. Not every woman can feel this strength, but with help I believe others can too. You can believe my approach to women or dont, but you will never convince me to join your side, I have been there. I think your idea of transparant is, that it is not your belief. I dont know how my approach can be any clearer. Your approach seems to be to ridicule those that do try to make a difference. I checked out your link from above. Im not interested in participating in that. But thanks though.

Sam · 1 year ago

I volunteer at a Womens Care Center. It is a Christian based, non-profit organization. We tell people with any medical questions that we are NOT a medical facility and they should talk to a doctor.
We do offer a free pregnancy test to any woman that comes in and asks for one. We do not lock them up in a room and keep them there.
It is a wonderful resource to many women and I wish more would get involved in helping support the facility.
We don't press our religious views on any one. But being Christian based, we still don't promote nor hand out information on anything Pro-abortion.
However, I am very sorry to hear this young lady was treated this way. I just don't want any one to be detoured from seeking help from this valuable resource. Not all Crisis Centers are like that. In fact, they have been helping me a great deal with my pregnancy while my husband has been deployed in Iraq.

Pregnancy Health Diet · 1 year ago

I don't care how you put it abortion is murder. It is sad that women would rather kill their unborn child so that they can keep on living their lives without anyone putting a damper on it. That is selfish and wrong in so many ways. What about their lives? Next time don't have sex or do it safely. It's your own fault (most of the time) that you are put in that situation.

I don't think it is right to pressure someone. However, part of the video wasn't false. The practice of abortion that they depicted is true and very brutal.

Momof6 · 11 months ago

You make it sound like women shouldn't want to keep their babies and that all should be killed. Obviously, women come to those places to get the information to help them make their decision, or they wouldn't be there. When I was a teen I went to the other place, the planned parenthood place, that educated me by telling me that the baby inside me was a lump of fetal tissue and not a fetus with a beating heart. You've been misinformed. The fabrication is from the other side.

A person is a person no matter how small.

Yeanny · 8 months ago

Stop illegal abortion. It against human rights!!

diabetic socks · 6 months ago

I am prolife, but i can understand that sometimes women are put in a tough situation in which they feel they don't have a choice but to have an abortion.